SHOOT IT TO PPSA AND NROI

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:20 pm Post subject: SHOOT IT TO PPSA AND NROI

Ok ladies, before you inter-act on this thread please start by reading what Brodz posted in another thread entitled : Rama: Shooting side by side

In there, we have more or less sounded off the "request" of NROI and THE NEW SET OF CEBU PPSA, for a fresh start to strengthened the shooting community...

So now, let us here it from the shooter's mismo: IF YOU WERE TO TELL PPSA AND NROI ON MATTERS TO IMPROVE IT, WHAT WOULD IT BE?

It is appreciated that let our discussion border on being civil Laughing

of course, one can shout it. Laughing

softly..

Further, if the input is from a veteran shooter and has been around, definitely, you can give specifics and details right? We would appreciate if your input would not be just motherhood statements.

ok , so fire away guys.

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: SHOOT IT TO PPSA AND NROI

I'd like the NROI to do away with the "bata-bata" system.

There was once an RO who was expelled by his former mother gun club for "grave misconduct". I quote/unquote grave misconduct because a case of qualified theft can be filed in court against this particular RO. No case in court was filed for some reasons this humble representation is not authorized to divulge.

I do not know how NROI handles things like this and it appears to me that they did not made a thorough investigation because this particular RO got promoted. Surely, this "bata-bata" system played a big role on this particular case.

I hope Rudy Marcelo and the NROI would act on this bisan late na.

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: SHOOT IT TO PPSA AND NROI

Until the alleged miscreant has been convicted and sentenced, he should be considered innocent until proven guilty. Until then, he should not lose his position and membership in that club.

As for wrongdoing wherein the host club decides not to pursue legal redress, the matter must have been adequately investigated and the accused presented with the results of the investigation, prior to action being taken, so that he will be able to defend himself before his peers, and which should also be put on paper in case the accused decides to pursue / initiate legal action himself.

Be reminded that it is very easy to accuse, which can be very unfair if unjustified. There might be ulterior motives to the "accusation", especially if legal action is deferred, which might mean that evidence is insufficient, or nonexistent.

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:05 am Post subject: Re: SHOOT IT TO PPSA AND NROI

Well, the matter was adequately investigated (that is to the best of my knowledge), testimonies were gathered and presented to the accused. The Board and the the body that conducted the investigation gave the accused ample time to defend himself. The accused told the Board, "... i dont want to worsen the situation, di na lang ko magsuwat suwat pa. Unsa may maayo ani? Kamo mag desisyon." (or words to that effect). The Board decided to expelled him. The whole proceedings was documented just in case the accused opt to seek legal action.

As for the action of the NROI, are they supposed to investigate for themselves too? Or operation cover-up had been done because of the "bata-bata" system? Is this the way being done in the NROI, you'll get promoted if you got yourself in trouble? Or even though you got yourself in trouble as long as your a good as*-kisser you'll get promoted? Tsk Tsk Tsk! I hope the moral values of the NROI has not deteriorated that far.

In fairness to the host club, they would not just accuse the accused just to ruin his public stature. If the accused is really innocent, why didnt he seek legal action to defend himself? Isnt it the burden of the accused to prove that he is innocent?

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:19 am Post subject: Re: SHOOT IT TO PPSA AND NROI

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:38 am Post subject: Re: SHOOT IT TO PPSA AND NROI

lets clarify, the "crime" committed was againts the club? so then the club exercised its option- to terminate his affiliation with the club.

now this is very difficult because, what transpired was between this person and the club, what Killerqueen so far has presented borders on hearsay.... But i agree with his assertion, which I may summarize, the "crime" was related to shooting sports, it was againts a shooter? (killerqueen, correct me anytime here) therefore, it was an affront to the sport we love and to its patrons.

now, whether there was an "amicable settlement" (which is legal by the way) between both parties, is already beyond our concern.

Your position is (again correct me anytime here)- this person did something that violated the code of ethics of 1. being a shooter, 2. being an R.O. but it seemed he got promoted in the shooting heirarchy he belongs to. Correct ba?

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: SHOOT IT TO PPSA AND NROI

mao diay nay buhaton para ma promoted? wa sad ko anah dah Laughing

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: SHOOT IT TO PPSA AND NROI

Now, the concern raised by killerqueen to PPSA and NROI, to get rid of the "BATA-BATA" system is a gigantic task and enormous challenge to the NROI hierarchy. I am counting on NROI ED-Rudy Marcelo to proved to the shooting community that his term is really mean business... SERIOUS BUSINESS.

However, the cleansing of its ranks cannot be done overnight... He needs ample time to do it. We will give him until the end of the year to proved to the entire Philippine shooting community that Mr. Marcelo not only deserves a pat on his shoulder but a congratulatory handshake and laudable applause.

Sir Rudy, hope you can keep up our expectations Smile

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: SHOOT IT TO PPSA AND NROI

dont really know who this person is and what club but here is my take on this....

1. if its a CLUB matter, then we really should not bother with it, that is internal to them and we can leave it at that... but
2. if this involves the PPSA and NROI, then again i will go back to what i suggested on a previous thread... BE TRANSPARENT. i would like to believe that we would like to cover up our own... however, that is where the problem arises... being a governing body of the shooting community, YOU owe it to us to be as transparent as you can be and not ignore stuff like the ones questioned before..... we Filipinos have a very bad habit of giving amnesty, hiding the truth and distorting facts.... PUT A STOP to that now.... show to us that you mean business... we clamor for change yet we ourselves are part of the system that is swallowing us all as a nation.

again i dont know much of the people running PPSA or NROI but i have heard of names and actually know of some who are running the show whose character is very very questionable in my eyes. dont ask me who but this is based on personal experience. If you have these kind of people holding a position, then how can you expect the organization to be respected in the first place.

lastly, stop the bickering among yourselves. its very discouraging and its does not sound and look good. lets have fun, lets do things safely, monitor your people, gun clubs included and let us be ONE. the anti gun may have lost the battle recently but the war is still on and when we are divided, its easier for them anti gun to conquer us next time around.......

Last edited by wingwing on Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:19 am; edited 1 time in total

Now that the Master has spoken, and he has spoken well let us all proceed in that direction..

I have earlier encouraged details, in as much as the subject of Killerqueen's complaint would be better referred to as anonymous in this thread, let me summarize what Killerqueen would have wanted to happen:

Backgrounder: To become an R.O, one has to be a member of PPSA, to become a member of PPSA, one has to be a member of a motherclub that is also PPSA affiliated.

If an R.O has been expelled from the motherclub for violation of rules in the PPSA Code of Ethics, he therefore ceases to be a member of PPSA in which the code of ethics came from, if he ceases to be a member of PPSA, then he shall also cease to be a member of NROI, whew.

If he transfers to another gunclub, the new gunclub is EXPECTED ALSO to take into consideration in his application there, his transgressions in the previous club. IMHO, a violation of the code of ethics of PPSA transcends gunclubs. A violation of the code of ethics is grounds for perpetual banning of membership in the PPSA.

Now what IF IN THE REAL SCORE, his violation were AMICABLE SETTLED - no charges filed, no decisions rendered leaked to the governing body..in other words, a graceful exit has been accorded to him?

How is he treated now? IMHO, it should be treated as if nothing has happened. Why, it is a club matter. The gunclub already exercised its options on how to deal with him.

but if the gunclub has raised this to PPSA as an official complaint to be docketed, then PPSA and NROI has to resolve it as the rules have stipulated...no matter how harsh.

Now, on to the next concern...anybody?

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: SHOOT IT TO PPSA AND NROI

You are very correct Sir wing in my position.

In as much as i wanted to move on for the next concern, i want to manifest a few more issues related to the matter i've stated here.

The accused was given a graceful exit by the host club but as the accused got promoted he's kind of making a "resbak" to the host club and its affiliates. I've come to this conclusion because there was once a Level 1 shootfest in Tacloban (if am not mistaken) that all of the RO that served in that particular shootfest were from Cebu! No RO from Leyte served on that particular shootfest. And what makes it worst were a few RO's from Leyte received that they received a text message ordering them not to served/participate. I'll just withheld the names for i know that they'll be in hot water once they'll be exposed. The text message was saved and it was confirmed that it was from the other side.

There are many instances of "pang gigipit" being purported by this person. I just mentioned the incident above for i know that those RO's from Cebu who served in that particular shootfest could attest to the veracity of the account i've mentioned. Again, if the accused is innocent. will he resort to dirty tactics like this?

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: SHOOT IT TO PPSA AND NROI

let us start a new chapter, let us not live in our past, for sure both sides had their mistakes and will take eternity to find out who started the mess. may i suggest forget the past and start preparing for a good future ahead of us. Smile

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: SHOOT IT TO PPSA AND NROI

i agree sir stock2, if we continue bringing the past, moving forward will be an uphill battle..... however, sometimes, learning from it will make things move faster Very Happy

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:56 am Post subject: Re: SHOOT IT TO PPSA AND NROI

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:36 am Post subject: Re: SHOOT IT TO PPSA AND NROI

Ok Killerqueen, upon further sleuthing I think I know now whom you are referring to.... and indeed yes, a complaint has been submitted.

It is one of the issues raised during last Sunday's Area Conference, let's just wrap it up this way....PPSA Leadership has promised to "deal" with this.... I know this is going to be very very difficult on their part....BOTH PARTIES are long timers in shooting...and are friends.. further...BOTH PARTIES HAVE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE GROWTH OF THE SHOOTING COMMUNITY in that area.... as an aside..I wouldn't want to be in their shoes on this hehehee.

and again upon further analysis, the Dura Lex Sed Lex (the Law is Harsh but it is the Law) maxim might be the way to go, but parties MAY HAVE OPTED TO SETTLE IT THE SHOOTER'S WAY... When in doubt...give it to the shooter.

AND CALL.......NEXT SHOOTER PLEASE